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good morning everyone.

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I know that I say this often, but I am so excited about today's guest.

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Funny enough, she's in Nashville, which is funny 'cause we're,

we're on Riverside anyway, today's guest is Sydney Dozier.

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I had to make sure I could say it right.

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Before I said it for you guys, and then I botched her

first name, which we're gonna edit out, but it was funny.

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Anyway, she is a local to Nashville and I'll let you tell your story, but

I was on her podcast and I'm gonna let her tell you about that as well.

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But welcome to the podcast.

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Sydney: Oh my gosh, Trish, it's so good to be with you in this environment.

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I'm so excited.

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I was so honored.

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I was like, I told my assistant, I was like, she wants me on her podcast.

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Like, uh, okay, here we go.

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Like, I, I was just so honored and humbled and excited

to pour into your community and love your community.

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You're very big community that you have built.

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So very excited to be here.

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Trish: Yes.

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I'm so excited too.

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So tell everybody a little bit about what you do and then

we're gonna talk about your birth experiences, obviously.

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But I also wanted to talk about like, how does a boss ass mom who runs a business.

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You know, I am really lucky in a sense, and I have a lot of my clients that

I coach who are still in the throes of pregnancy and babies and toddlers.

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I have seven, but my youngest is 10, and so I

started Labor Nurse Mama with him under my desk.

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We had like a special basket of toys, you know, he was three, I kind of two and a

half to three is when I first started, but really going hard when he was like three.

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And so.

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I don't remember those days as much, but I would love for us

to talk about not only your birth experiences, but navigating

pregnancy and postpartum emotions and all of those things.

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Or sometimes I know it can be a blessing to get to go to the office as well, so,

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Sydney: Aw, I feel like this is probably gonna be

a therapy session for me, Trish, because it's like.

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I am so new to working mom life and I'm like, so I, I love talking about it though.

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I am fascinated by women like you that are, have just done it for so long and you're

like a veteran in this space and, and you know, and then just this new age, new business,

sort of like era we're in as working modern day mothers that are navigating mm-hmm.

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Building businesses through social media and what that looks like, with having kids.

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And, you know, mine are little.

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Four month old and a 3-year-old.

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And so whenever I tell that to people, they're

like, okay, so you're really in it right now.

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And everyone keeps saying that.

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They either say you're really in it or.

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You're in the messy middle.

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And I'm always like, you know, it's just, it's, it's just news to me.

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'cause I'm just, I'm just taking it day by day.

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We're just figuring it out as we go.

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That's kind of my mom's style, that's my birth style, that's my business style.

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We're just figuring it out as we go along.

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But, you know, it's, it's been a lot and going from one to

two has really, I'm not gonna lie, like really rocked me.

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Like I just mm-hmm.

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It's been so much, it's, it's really, to be honest, the

biggest thing that it's done for me is it's changed.

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My why in what I'm doing, and I think, I'll kind of give you

the, the origin story for building Renaissance, but essentially.

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10 years ago, I started Renaissance Marketing Group.

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We're a full service social media marketing agency here in Nashville.

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We have clients across the country, we've scaled, we have an incredible

team that's, you know, content creators, designers, video editors.

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Like we we're just a very, we, I mean small but mighty, very, very talented.

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Creative team that really understands, these platforms and how to serve these platforms.

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And the algorithm Old Al, I like to call it Yeah.

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What it wants in the current moment to really old al that

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picky old soul,

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old al. He is really a particular gentleman.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, really leveraging, the, the platform so that.

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Our brands and the clients we represent can truly grow on social media and

have longevity and, and really feel like they're, we're staying really true

to who they are, even though we're an agency representing the business.

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But I started it being really burnt out.

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I was working as a marketing director for a museum in Nashville.

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I had really, I moved to Nashville to be a

singer songwriter, which is a whole other story.

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After about a year of playing all the places, Bloomberg Cafe, listening

room, like all these different places, I really quickly realized.

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Music was not gonna be my long-term thing.

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It was like I had so many friends that were like,

it's a 10 year town, you really have to go all in.

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You know, you, you've gotta be.

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And I just, I'm the kind of person where I'm like, all or nothing.

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And as soon as I got here, I, I was talented, but I was like.

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It's going to take so much longer for me to be successful in this.

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And I feel like I have other strengths and talents that

I can bring to serve and to, to make money essentially.

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And so I started dabbling in social media.

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marketing gigs when social media was such a different landscape than it is now.

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Yeah.

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Cor, like, you're so right.

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We talked about that.

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It's insane when you were on the show.

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Yeah.

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like Twitter and Facebook for business was just, and no short form video pressure.

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No, exactly.

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My team and I talk about that all the time.

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We're like, three years ago, we would deliver content decks to clients that

would have maybe three videos in the whole deck of, of, of a monthly Yeah.

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Calendar.

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And now it's, you know, there's 30 videos we're delivering.

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Yeah.

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So it's like, it's so much.

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But, we basically, in a nutshell, I, I got that role, through the Johnny Cash Museum.

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I started doing their social media.

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Kind of built my, career path there and really could

see a future, but I was so burnt out, I was so unhappy.

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I really didn't like my manager.

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I was really just working for the man.

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There's a lot of patriarchy in the situation and I just, I wanted to be my own girl.

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I wanted to like have my own future and, and have autonomy over

my schedule and all the things, why we wanna be entrepreneurs.

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So I actually moved back in with my parents for like a hot second.

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So you

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were single.

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Single.

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Yes.

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Had nothing.

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Well, we've come full spectrum.

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Full

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spectrum, yeah.

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Like I was just a, a girl existing trying to find my way.

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I was, you know, 21 College Dropout.

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Yeah.

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Like, I had found success without having a college degree, which

was, is a big part of my story and is definitely how I hire today.

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I really don't care about college degrees.

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I really care about what you do and your portfolio and like your work ethic.

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But for me, you know, I, I just, I knew that working for the man, if you will, just.

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I, I just couldn't fit into that working environment.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so I moved back in with my parents, which was

really hard for me to do, but I had to, had to do it.

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Took a four month sabbatical, which I didn't know what sabbatical

was at the time, but I think about it now and I'm like, man,

those four months, that was when I really went inward, like.

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Figured out what self-care was figured out, like what I needed.

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And it gave me the idea to start Renaissance Marketing Group.

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Because I was like, I am so good at social media, like I am.

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I understand it.

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I, I love it.

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I'm obsessed with it.

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I'm very creative, you know, the songwriter and me, like I can put

captions together, all the things that make a good social media manager.

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And so I was like, I need to do this for other businesses.

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There's a gap in the market.

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managers, so I was able to grow really quickly and find people.

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Mm-hmm.

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That were like, wait, yeah, we want you, we need someone

to do this Facebook thing, but we don't know how to do it.

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This is perfect for you to come in and do this for us.

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So, you know, I was undercharging as you do as an early service provider.

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I mean, I think I was charging like, I think

my first client, Trish, was like $250 a month.

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Like it was holy schmo.

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But again, you didn't have to do video.

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Again, I didn't have to do video editing.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, you know, posting a couple pictures probably a week and

I'm sure it wasn't great, but my clients were like, yeah, this is awesome.

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And you know, started growing and met my now, husband.

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We actually went to middle school and high school

together just to kind of give you that full story.

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'Cause I had moved back into my hometown, so I had left Nashville for a hot second.

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Okay.

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I had a house in Nashville that I put on Airbnb.

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So that I could pay the mortgage and kind of pay the bills and then move back in with my

parents and kind of, was on social media and reconnected with Nick, who's my now husband.

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We'd never dated in middle school or high school, but we like knew each other.

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We had like mutual friends and things like that, and he

messaged me one day and was like, I saw your back in Georgia.

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Like.

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You wanna grab a beer and we grabbed a beer and the rest really kind of is history.

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I convinced him after a couple years of dating in Georgia, I convinced him.

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It was, it was a great house, great town home.

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Lot of space.

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I'm like, Nashville's way better than Atlanta.

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Sorry to any Georgia people.

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It is true.

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It's true.

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It's so true.

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I know Atlanta not, it's just, it was just not my vibe.

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It's different.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's different.

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Yeah.

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And he's just such a Nashville guy.

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Like if you know Nick, like he's just like.

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Salt of the earth, like Tennessee, like he's just such a good dude.

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And, so we moved into the house, got engaged like a year later.

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And then, you know, continued building the business.

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Started hiring, which was really like a new.

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Big, exciting thing for me.

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building and scaling the business and can really see the vision of it.

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But the word renaissance is such a important word, not only in my

business life, but just in my life overall, because the definition of

it is a rebirth of creativity, energy, and opportunity in something.

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And at that point when I named the business, I was so needing a rebirth in my life.

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Yeah.

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Like I was needing this research and, you know, like I said, rebirth of, of

energy and creativity and the opportunity that the business would bring me.

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And so, it felt so natural.

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That's now what we do for our clients.

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We, you come into our world at Renaissance and we are going to.

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360 year business through giving you a renaissance from a visual

standpoint, from a profitability standpoint, from a scaling standpoint,

engagement standpoint, and just overall experience with working with us.

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We want it to feel like.

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Rebirth, like you're excited to pour into your social media because

you have a team that you feel is very aligned with your business.

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So, that's what we do.

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We also do summits because I'm obsessed with women entrepreneurs.

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Like you Trish.

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So we do, yes.

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The Renaissance Women's Summit, which you and I have chatted, which I wanna come to.

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Yes.

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Labor Nurse Mama is gonna be very involved and I love it.

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Fuel Summit for women entrepreneurs, it's a day long event.

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My favorite day of the whole year, it's like Christmas.

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It's just a day where we learn, we, you know, pour into each other.

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We, you know, gain education, empowerment.

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We cover very tactical business things, which is something you and I share that of like

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mm-hmm.

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Trish: We want it to feel tactical and, and applicable and like

something that you can immediately learn and then put into your business.

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So.

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We're like, actually the most behind we've ever been with Summit Planning because

I had a baby a few months ago, so I'm giving myself grace, but you, you know what?

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It's probably gonna be your best one.

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I love that energy.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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I just feel like it will be your best one.

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Well, I am here for that because right now I'm like,

I'm very much like we are just, we're easing into it.

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I'm giving myself, yeah, don't let yourself tell yourself a different story.

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Just be like the, you know what you're doing.

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You've done it enough.

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This is gonna be your best one.

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This will be, and I was even thinking about your sabbatical because my mastermind, which.

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I renamed it.

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Now it's the sold out strategy mastermind, but it was,

I call them the Catalyst Queens when they come in.

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And I was thinking about your sabbatical, even though it was a season

arrest, it was also that catalyst, which is like a reaction going

into a change, you know, like undergoing this big change for you.

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Sydney: Yes, yes.

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And it was like that pause.

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Everything before my life completely changed.

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And I think in that pause though, I was happy because I

was like pouring into myself, but I was also like nervous.

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I had pressure from the outside of like, yeah, at this time all of my girlfriends were.

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Crushing in their careers and getting engaged and like

getting married and starting that process in their twenties.

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And I was just sort of like back with mommy and daddy, but I just felt like it

was the thing I needed to do so that I could give myself that, that time to.

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Fly.

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And that's exactly what happened.

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So I, I love that you just said that.

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It was, it was the catalyst for my change, for sure.

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Trish: Yeah, and I love that.

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For all of you guys listening, whether you've given birth yet, you're thinking about

having a baby wherever you are in your journey, we get to decide what that means for us.

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No one else does.

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And so even in a season, so I just got off of a hangout with my mamas, so if they

join my courses, we have a weekly hangout or a couple times a month, and one of my new

moms jumped onto the Hangout or the pregnant moms, which I, they can always come, they

know that, but she's two weeks postpartum and she couldn't even turn her camera on.

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She's crying and she's just beating herself up.

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And I feel like.

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No matter what stage you are.

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So even like I'm laughing about them saying you're in the messy middle.

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Like, what does that actually mean?

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Because right, I, I have kids up to 35, right?

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And down to 10.

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And what is the messy middle?

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Because like, look at your parents, they opened up their home to you like.

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I, I just feel like we as women especially, 'cause it's probably women saying that to you,

need to stop saying some of the things that we say to other moms, especially a new mom.

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And just encourage them, use words of affirmation and

be like, you are doing amazing right where you are.

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Sydney: Yeah.

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Ah, that's so good.

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It's so true because it is like.

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You share the ages of your kids.

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My mom was just saying my, my mom had four and she just said to me on the phone yesterday,

similar to this conversation, she was like, when I would tell people I had four kids,

just like, I'm sure you with seven, the immediate reaction is, oh, I'm so sorry.

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Or, or God, don't you know what causes that?

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Right.

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That all the time.

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Yeah.

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Like, do you like, it's a mistake.

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It's like, it's like, why, why does it have to be looked at like it's a mistake?

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Like, I just like, I'm like you, I, I'm obsessed with my kids.

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Right.

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I think this, sure.

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I'm not sleeping super well.

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I have a four month old, she's regressed.

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Like of course.

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But I wouldn't trade it for the world.

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And that's what I'm saying, like my why has changed so much

because I'm like, my why used to be renaissance all day long, baby.

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And it still is.

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But it is so much now, like my eyes are just, I can see so much more clearer.

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Like my, my children are like.

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Literally everything to me.

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Yeah, and I think what's so cool about back to like modern day mamas is like we can.

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Love that so much and what we do so much.

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Trish: Yes.

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And there's no shame in that.

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Like there's no shame.

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I will say, I don't know about you, but it, I feel like when you own your own

business and you just love your business so much, it's hard to turn off at times.

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Totally.

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And so like one of the things I do with my coaching clients is like we set boundaries and

so you need to have focus time where you're, especially when you have do social media.

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It bleeds into everything because that stupid phone is in your hand all the time.

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But just have times where you are just with your kids and don't feel

guilty that you're not checking in or, oh my gosh, I forgot this or that.

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And then also.

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That same focus time on your business, which you have an office.

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I work at home.

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Right.

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Which makes it a little harder, but my son is gone a couple.

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He goes to a homeschool tutorial, so he is gone a couple

days a week and he's grown up with labor nurse mama.

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Right.

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So he doesn't know me as going to long shifts.

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And like my daughter just said to him, 'cause he was complaining

that I was in here working and she said, Grayson, I used

to like have to wait like 13 hours for mom to come home.

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Oh my God.

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And you know, 'cause when you work as a nurse, like it's, it's long.

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So I love that you're even saying that because I do feel like

a lot of women now have, I mean, I hate to say that about.

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The older generation, but I do feel like it's different when you own your own business

or you're doing something you love, and I don't think a lot of older women had that.

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Freedom to choose something they really loved.

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It's a generational thing.

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Sydney: I definitely feel that.

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I mean, even my mom says that to me.

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She's like, I, I can't relate to, you know, I, she was a stay at home mom,

so she's like, I can't relate to a lot of the struggles that you have.

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And I think that's why I love this conversation so much because I think having,

and I, that's why I adore everything you do, that community of other women.

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That are so passionate about what they do, but they

also are so passionate about being moms and their kids.

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That is like the most beautiful thing.

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And I think we really need each other because it,

it, it like lights me up to hear you talk about it.

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And even like hearing how you brought your son into a lot of what you do.

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I'm like, oh wow.

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I guess like, I need to, I need to hear things like that because I think with

my 3-year-old, he sees me at home, you know, on my phone and, and working on

my laptop, and I'm really trying to figure out how I can be better about that.

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Because as, as you know, like when you run a business, you can have an office, you

know, you can have a brick and mortar and then come home and there's still fires going

on in Slack, and you have to put 'em out in email and you have to put 'em out and then.

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There's no one else.

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Like I have an assistant, I have a team, but there's certain things that

only I can do, and so I do have to like figure out how I, you know, yeah.

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Don't want him to like see me with my computer all the time

and like see me with my phone and I really, really try.

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Like Labor Day weekend, I was like.

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I threw my phone like I was like, I am, I am taking this time.

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And it was so very good for me.

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But I do think it's gonna be a forever like, like balance of it.

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A juggle, yeah.

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Balance, but yeah.

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Trish: Yeah.

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And then it gets even like more difficult in certain ways to

figure out how to navigate both when they have their own schedule.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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It's like right now, like before Grayson started the

tutorial in sports, it was like all around my schedule.

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Right.

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And now I'm like having to like, oh, wait, opposite.

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I have, oh wait, does he have something that day?

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Like he has a schedule.

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What?

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Yeah.

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And I'm mad to that.

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Like, everyone's like, are you gonna put Sawyer in sports?

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And I'm like, yeah, if he wants to.

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But wow, I haven't even, my husband and I

haven't even considered what that's gonna do for.

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Because, you know, we, we have the kids and we're doing the things with the kids.

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We're all, we're also like selfish in our careers.

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Like, we're like doing our thing.

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We have childcare, you know, so that's gonna be an interesting change.

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And I know that like seasons constantly change too.

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Well, and that's what we, my, one of my sons had his

30th birthday this weekend and they were all there.

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And of course they all have advice on parenting even though they're not parents.

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And they were all like, are you gonna let him play football?

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And I'm like, no, he is not playing football.

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'cause they, all my older boys played football and they all

have some sort of injury, long lasting injury, you know?

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And we didn't know about head injuries back then or anything.

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Right.

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And I said, no, but also they practice five days a week and

they have games all day on Saturday and I own a business.

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I can't do that.

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And they were like, well, that's not fair.

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And I'm like, yeah, well, he gets to travel the world.

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Yeah.

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So, you know.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Trade off.

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Sydney: Trade off.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I can't even imagine the, the injury thing.

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I'm like, you're saying that I'm cringing.

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I'm like, I, yeah.

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Precious football, we, no, he did flag football and we've

let him like do other things, but I'm just not up for the.

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You know, and chances of him going pro is a little slim.

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So.

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You know, not, not saying that baby.

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I hope you don't listen to this, right?

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No, you're like, you're amazing.

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But you can't go pro because mommy won't let you play.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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We love you.

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But, but yeah.

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Trish: So I would love to hear, I know we started talking a little bit

about your birth, because I think I'm gonna put this on both podcasts.

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'cause I have sold out sales school and I have the birth experience

and I feel like both sides of these women need to hear this.

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But we talked a little bit about like just feeling like out

of control and not feeling like you're the queen of the ship.

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Yeah.

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And I'm interested in you in particular because I was just

saying to my hangout like I see these women who are so like.

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Boss asks like, take control, do all the things.

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And they walk in the labor room, they're like, whatever.

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Sydney: That's me.

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Yeah.

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Failed me.

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That's

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Trish: so why do you think that?

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Why do you think that we as really strong-willed women lay down our rights to a doctor?

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Sydney: It's so crazy.

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And I was literally thinking that driving here today.

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'cause I was like, I know Trish's gonna ask me

about this and I know this is gonna be a part of it.

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And it's so true.

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Like my personality, like I am very, I am exactly that.

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I'm so ambitious.

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I'm like, have to call the shots, do all the things.

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But with my first born, so three years ago, I, you know, I'll

say I, I, I can be a very trusting person too, almost to a fault.

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Like, uh, that's a theme in my life where like, if

you come into my world, you come to work for me.

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If you come to be a client, if you come to be a friend or

whatever, I kind of like automatically have so much trust in you.

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Mm-hmm.

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And the biggest learning kind of thing I had with baby one

and then Baby two and those birth experiences was like just.

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So much trust and, and really no questions asked.

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Like with that first one, like I was very much like, Hey, okay, I'm pregnant.

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Okay, I'm gonna go to this specific, I'm not

gonna name hospitals just because, you know, okay.

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But with this one hospital and girl, you know, I don't care.

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I know I, well, it's more so I'm like, don't wanna, I don't know, have people.

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Trish: Because you also, I say this to my ladies

all the time, we also want them to like us.

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There's, and that gets, yeah, that gets in the way a lot of time in the birth room.

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And I try to tell my students like, this is a, a job for them.

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Right.

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And even if they're irritated with you for that

day, this is your birth forever a customer, right?

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Sydney: It's so true.

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And I think they're very used to.

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Being, being able to manipulate things and like be, you know, be able to find women

like me in the situation of my first born where I didn't ask questions and I just nodded

my head yes to literally everything that they said and that, that was so horrible.

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Oh my gosh.

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Like, I hate to like live life with regrets,

but I have so many regrets about my first birth.

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You know, the, the thing that happened was, I made

it past my due date as you do with your first right?

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Like, that's pretty common.

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And I had heard that, but I was very desperate.

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I was very, but silly.

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It was silly.

403

I was fine physically.

404

I was in the best shape of my life.

405

I had such an easy pregnancy.

406

I had no issues.

407

Like I was perf, I was like, textbook perfect.

408

And I go into my like 41 and a half week appointment, whatever.

409

And they're like, you know, how's it going?

410

And I'm like, I'm just so over it, and everyone's blowing me up.

411

They're like, yes.

412

Yeah.

413

They're like, perfect intervention time.

414

Yeah.

415

I know exactly what you need.

416

And they were, that's, that's exactly how it happened.

417

And they were literally like, you know, sydnee, like you're really

complaining, like whatever you're uncomfortable and like, but babies.

418

Perfect.

419

They're literally like, your baby's perfect.

420

Yeah.

421

Do you know you could get induced like this could be a thing

that could happen and then you could be done, we'll be done and

you'll have your baby in the next, like, I dunno, eight hours.

422

And I was like, oh.

423

And I looked at my husband and he was like, you know, like just like whatever you want.

424

Yeah.

425

Whatever you want.

426

And I was, I really honestly am so embarrassed to say I really, I knew

what an induction was, but I also didn't know what an induction was.

427

Mm-hmm.

428

Like I had heard about it, my mom had one with me, but I didn't know what it intent.

429

Which normalized it in your brain as well.

430

Totally.

431

Because I had heard people that had have it, so my mom was induced.

432

Yeah.

433

Yeah.

434

I'm like, okay.

435

Like that's gonna be fine.

436

And so again, trust, I immediately trusted that that was the best option for me,

from a medical standpoint, even though again, there was nothing wrong with me.

437

Yeah.

438

There was no reason I should have done that.

439

It was just that I was impatient and I was over it, which is just such

440

Trish: Well, and in the provider's defense,

which you know that I'm the first to speak out.

441

Mm-hmm.

442

It isn't on them for you to be educated.

443

Moms think that the doctors will educate them, but they don't.

444

They're just doing their job.

445

Sydney: Yeah, true.

446

So that's a good point to make too.

447

so they were like, Hey, we got a bed, you know,

check in at eight, let's get it while we have one.

448

Get going.

449

Yeah.

450

Right.

451

Like, let's just get you in there.

452

And so.

453

Checked in, you know, started the Pitocin process

immediately had like the most insane contractions.

454

And that's the other thing is like, up until this second baby, I

just had an April, I had never felt like a real organic contraction.

455

You know, it was like my only experience having Rowan, like, I was like, oh.

456

I've, I've only ever had the Pitocin contractions,

which as you know, are like intense as crazy.

457

Yeah.

458

And they come up, well, you don't get that natural buildup.

459

You don't have those natural endorphins that help you handle them.

460

It was just, it was literally like they flipped a light switch.

461

Yeah.

462

And it from no pain to the most excruciating, my midwife said it is

like getting in a Maserati and hitting the gas all the way to the floor.

463

You don't get any kind of like Toyota.

464

Toyota, like slow until you get up to it.

465

Yeah.

466

It's so true.

467

It's so true.

468

And that's why I left my second birth because I actually felt the real ones.

469

And it was a, it was like water broke and then I slowly but surely was able to like, and

you acclimate and acclimate and so with, with the contraction, so, you know, basically.

470

We did that process for, I can't, I think seven or so hours.

471

I got, no, I got the epidural.

472

So I got the epidural.

473

The epidural was fine.

474

Basically my contractions were not too close that they weren't, close together enough.

475

Sorry.

476

Yeah.

477

I'm probably gonna like not articulate this very well.

478

And so they were like, we wanna put more pitocin in your body.

479

So Of course.

480

So they needed to put a pressure catheter in you probably too.

481

Probably, I don't remember that.

482

Yeah.

483

But they, they were having to increase the Pitocin, Sawyer's heart

rate would drop every single time they would increase the Pitocin.

484

So we did that dance for a very long time.

485

And I was such an anxious mess because of my baby.

486

They're like, we don't like that as hard as doing that every

time we do the Pitocin, but your contractions are not doing

what we want them to do to dilate you and to do all the things.

487

And so, you know, we need to start having the C-section conversation.

488

And I was like, you know, no shame at all.

489

Trish: Hold up.

490

You said I'd be holding my baby in eight hours.

491

Sydney: Yeah.

492

I was like, what do you mean?

493

And I, I was like, they knew I did not want a C-section.

494

Like no shame around a C-section.

495

I think there's a time and a place for it.

496

But I was like.

497

Why do I need to have a C-section?

498

And they're like, well, because you know his heart rate and

we can't, you know, we can't just keep doing this all night.

499

It's just not we, they needed to have, you know, get it out, whatever.

500

And so I said, well, can, can I just push?

501

And I don't remember exactly how dilated I was, but I think I was dilated enough to

where they were like, we can do some practice pushes and just kind of see what happens.

502

So I'm, you know.

503

You tell me C-section, I'm gonna like go as push as hard as I can.

504

Freaking push.

505

Yeah.

506

So I pushed and then he, his head starts coming out and like the whole,

everyone in the room was like, oh my God, we did not expect that to happen.

507

Like, holy crap, head starts coming out.

508

But again, contractions, were not doing their

thing to actually support getting the baby out.

509

So then he keeps getting stuck and then he goes back in and then he comes out.

510

Yeah.

511

I can't wait for you guys to watch the video

'cause she's literally like putting her head in.

512

Yeah, like, like, it's like it was that sensation and it was little turtle.

513

And then they lost the heartbeat.

514

That was around the thing tied around me.

515

So then they had to put the thing on his head and then,

516

Trish: which they don't adequately educate you on that either.

517

That's a big pet peeve of mine.

518

That was, I mean, that was a necessary time.

519

That was a necessary time.

520

But they'll do it a lot.

521

And I won't say what hospital I used to work at, but the one I

used to work at in this area, we had a doctor that would go in.

522

His rounds in the morning to all of his inductions, break

their water and put that monitor on the baby's head.

523

Oh my.

524

At one to two centimeters.

525

Yeah.

526

Oh my God.

527

Your situation was actually appropriate use of, it's

called a fetal scalp electrode, if you guys are wondering.

528

Yes, and I have tons of education on it.

529

But.

530

It's invasive.

531

It actually coils.

532

I, oh, I did have one in my drawer, but it's

actual coil that twists into the baby's scalp.

533

Sydney: Yes.

534

He like had like a mark on his head from that.

535

Yeah.

536

It was like, oh, sometimes it'll pull a little piece of their scalp off.

537

Yeah.

538

I think he had a little blood and that was really, yeah.

539

Kind of terrifying.

540

So that was great.

541

So then basically they had to get, do an epi episiotomy

because they were like, we, you're pushing as hard as you can.

542

We think we can get this baby out.

543

But he's stuck in there and they pro, did they do a vacuum too?

544

No, I don't think they did a vacuum.

545

Okay.

546

But it was like as soon as they cut, as soon as they did the

episiotomy, thank God for the epidural in that situation.

547

Yeah.

548

He pretty much flew out at that point.

549

Yeah.

550

So once that happened, they give the baby, you know, baby's fine, all good.

551

But then it's all the things that happened right after that, they start to sew me up.

552

And I had an intern sewing me up.

553

Okay.

554

I will never,

555

Trish: which I don't recommend.

556

You guys always put on your birth plan.

557

No.

558

Interns.

559

Yes, please, please.

560

I don't care if they're doing your epidural.

561

I don't care.

562

Do not Birth is not the time for practicing.

563

I, I think.

564

Amen.

565

Amen.

566

I mean, I can't believe I, because it is your birth experience.

567

It's your And my first experience too.

568

Yeah.

569

Like my first, there's always people who are willing to do it.

570

Sydney: So the, so the gal is, is, yeah.

571

She's, you know, 20 years old.

572

She's sewing me up and she's looking at the ob, the midwife, and

she's got this look on her face, like, something's not right.

573

And my husband looks at the doctor and says, what's wrong?

574

As she's repairing your vagina, as she's, as she's sewing up my vagina.

575

And she, she looked, the doctor looks down and

then the nurse comes and presses on my uterus.

576

And blood starts gushing.

577

So this is, you know, terrible.

578

But I start hemorrhaging from this experience and all of a

sudden when that happens in a birth room, as you know, 35 doctors

and people and anesthesiologists come running into the room.

579

Room.

580

Yeah.

581

And it's scary for you and your partner.

582

It's extremely traumatic.

583

Mm-hmm.

584

And in that moment, the thing that pissed me off the most was that

the baby just went to Nick as soon as all of this has happened.

585

Like he's like getting cleaned up, but then he just.

586

Some nurse just gave the baby to Nick.

587

Nick's a new dad.

588

Nick's never held a five minute old baby in his life.

589

He doesn't know what to do.

590

Yeah.

591

And then they all rush me to the OR in that moment.

592

So then Nick is left and they don't talk to him?

593

No, they leave him in the room.

594

Trish: That is an incident report, in my opinion.

595

Like they should have done an incident report on that.

596

That is not acceptable.

597

There's, there's always at least one nurse or someone who can talk to the family members.

598

Sydney: I mean it was,

599

Trish: and I don't care who's in there, whether

it's your mom, your cousin, or your partner.

600

This is their family member.

601

Yeah.

602

I mean, I, and he's left with a newborn.

603

Sydney: He was left with a newborn and I was of course gonna breastfeed.

604

So he was like, what do I do?

605

So I'm gone, I'm in the or he is, has to go into the

hallway with the newborn and be like, can I get some help?

606

And then they're like, oh,

607

Trish: he probably got yelled out for carrying the baby out in the hallway too.

608

'cause you're not allowed to do that.

609

Sydney: Oh yeah.

610

And he's like, hello?

611

Like, and yeah.

612

How, and then, you know, he gets served and then in the OR they

basically told me, they're like, we have to give you blood.

613

You lost a significant amount of blood and.

614

A part of your placenta got stuck and so we have to get your placenta out and

then we have to put the balloon in you to like contract your uterus back down.

615

Normal.

616

Yeah.

617

Yes.

618

And so that happened and literally I think an hour later

I was back and I was holding the baby and it was fine.

619

Like nothing had happened.

620

And I had the, because it's everyday normal for us.

621

I had the midwife come in and, it's true the way everyone

acted was, it was just so normal as the midwife came in.

622

But this is what she said to me, which was the worst

thing ever tr she said, you know, I'm so scared.

623

I recommend you go to therapy after this experience.

624

And she said, I've never had to do an epi episiotomy in my 25 years of practice.

625

And I'm like, well, why do you have to tell me that?

626

Like, why does that need to be information that's helpful right now?

627

Like, first of all.

628

Please don't tell me I need to go to therapy after my like, like goodness.

629

Like

630

Trish: there are certain ways to communicate things that doesn't add to the drama.

631

Sydney: Right.

632

And it was just so, it was such a bizarre thing.

633

So we, did consult a lawyer after that experience.

634

He kind of was like, I don't really think there's anything here.

635

But we really felt like the whole process was just, just with the

intern and the looks on everyone's faces and, and just, it just was so.

636

Nothing was prepared.

637

But you know, I, like I said, regret, like I go back and I'm like, hindsight,

I feel that if I did not have that, induction and I would've just let the baby

come when the baby was ready, I think that we would've avoided a lot of that.

638

I really do.

639

So,

640

Trish: but that is your story and you learn from it.

641

And you are who you are now because of having experienced that.

642

And you're also able to like where I am like.

643

Don't do this and you should do this, and here's why.

644

Now I do tell my ladies, like, I just had a, a, the

call and one of my girls was like, I'm being induced.

645

And I was like, okay, first do you want to be induced, right?

646

And she was like, yeah, I'm, she's had a really hard pregnancy.

647

I said, okay then now let's talk about the plan.

648

I'm not gonna be like, oh no, you should not be induced.

649

Right?

650

But I'm gonna educate her.

651

And we came up with a plan to prep her cervix, get her ready

as much as possible before she walks through that door.

652

then she knows that because it is a cascade of interventions.

653

However, you can put your foot in the door, right, and stop it.

654

So like not letting them break your water.

655

That if they hadn't broken your water and baby wasn't tolerating Pitocin, you can

go home and take a break and come back later, or come back in three days, you know?

656

But you don't know that.

657

Sydney: But it's known that you know that.

658

Well, they

659

Trish: over on this coast, they're not gonna tell you that.

660

Right?

661

I can't tell you how many inductions we send home in California.

662

Wow in Seattle.

663

Unheard of here.

664

Right.

665

They don't, they do not do, they don't let you leave.

666

Well, and it's not just the staff because a lot of parents, like

even if we have to reschedule or bump your inductions, like parents

will freak out 'cause they're like, I'm coming to have my baby.

667

Right.

668

So like even telling a mom who's already set her heart on

like, I'm gonna have the baby today or tonight, and then you're

like, you know, we probably should stop and maybe go home.

669

But they educate their parents on that there, right.

670

Here.

671

It's like you go in to being induced, you're gonna have a baby one way or the other.

672

Mm-hmm.

673

You know?

674

Yeah.

675

So if they would educate, like we can try, but it may not be

the right plan for you, but they're not gonna do that either.

676

Sydney: Nope.

677

It was very all or nothing, you know?

678

It was, yeah.

679

It was very like, you are coming, you're walking

into this hospital, you're gonna have this baby.

680

Yeah.

681

Trish: And they don't like you to go to 41 weeks in five days.

682

Sydney: No, I mean they, they were like, I mean, but the thing is with the midwife

program that I was with, they, they didn't really have a, they didn't tell me 42.

683

Like they weren't, they didn't say, it was like, we're super working.

684

They weren't pushing me timing.

685

But this second, with my second born, I had her at St.

686

Thomas and they were very much like, Hey, like law of the hospital, you have to.

687

You cannot that, you know, that's where I worked, but in Murfreesboro.

688

Yeah.

689

So not to name names, but that's it.

690

Yeah.

691

Yeah.

692

That was where I had my second baby.

693

First baby, I won't say, but it was another very, very large hospital here in Nashville.

694

Trish: Well, when I first moved here back from Florida, so I started my

career in Chattanooga, went back to Florida, but did the majority of my

career all over the US, but mostly the west coast, which is totally different.

695

Mm-hmm.

696

697

They were still taking the baby after the golden hour to the

nursery for bath and all of that within a few hours of birth.

698

And I went to the I guess she was the nurse manager or the director of the floor.

699

And I was like, you know, like, why are, why are we separating them?

700

Like some of my patients would not see their baby for like four to six hours after birth.

701

They'd have their first hour, then we would take 'em to postpartum.

702

Maybe we did two hours, but the baby would go to the nursery

and mom would go, I don't think they do that anymore.

703

I need to ask one of my friends, Sarah.

704

Mm-hmm.

705

Because I know she's, she thinks the same way as I do.

706

Yeah.

707

But that was just normal to them.

708

And the problem in the south.

709

In California, you have a ton of travel nurses and you have a ton of transients,

which Nashville's kind of that way, but in labor and delivery, it's a weird bubble

where in like smaller towns, especially like Murfreesboro and outside, like a

lot of the ladies will graduate and that's the only place they've ever worked.

710

So they don't even know.

711

This is not the same, right?

712

Or this is not normal.

713

714

I had my blog and all of that, but I wasn't using social media the way I do now.

715

Which I probably would've gotten fired anyway, but they weren't

as, I think a lot of labor nurses are also having their eyes open.

716

Like, oh, I can't just walk in and say, okay, I'm gonna check your cervix.

717

Like I have to ask.

718

You know?

719

So tell me about the second birth.

720

Yeah.

721

Sydney: Oh man.

722

I mean, I think.

723

You know, definitely went into it feeling way more empowered, way more

educated, still nervous because of my past and what I had been through.

724

And just like the PTSD of it all, 'cause it was so very traumatic.

725

But I did a lot of research on.

726

Doctors and asked a lot of friends and did a, you know,

it was like, it was a whole different experience for me.

727

Like, I was like, I'm gonna go all in.

728

I think also from a business standpoint, as a business owner, my business was

729

730

The end of COVID too.

731

Yes.

732

733

Turned upside down, and, and yeah, I had to wear a mask like going into

like that earth, like it was still very much, it was so weird Right time.

734

Yeah.

735

And and with social media at that time too, it was, I mean, my business was like, it was.

736

Just chaos because everyone wanted social media.

737

We were growing like crazy.

738

739

Oh, it was.

740

Such a chaotic, was off the chain year to run a business, to do anything.

741

Just to exist.

742

myself just in a better state so I could have more time.

743

To pour into myself and my birth and like what I really wanted.

744

So I did make a birth plan.

745

I did do the research, find an ob.

746

You know, the other thing with having Sawyer, my midwife, I had a different midwife.

747

Every time I saw the doctors I had a different

person that's hard person every single time.

748

And you how many times you go to the doctor when you're pregnant, like.

749

A million.

750

Yeah, you go so many times.

751

And I always had a new girl and I would always be like, oh, I really like you.

752

Like, can you be my person next time?

753

And they'd be like, no, we rotate.

754

So it'll be somebody else, but it'll be someone great.

755

And so I never really knew who it was gonna be.

756

And you didn't have a relationship?

757

I didn't have a relationship.

758

So going into Rowan's birth, like I, I really

wanted the same person, so I, I. Passed around.

759

I found a really great, awesome OB, who I really love, and she just really listened to me.

760

She really, she read my file, of course, like that first appointment.

761

She was like, okay, so you.

762

You have had a lot in your birth experience in the past, like you've had this, this, this.

763

She's like, girl, you've almost had everything gone wrong, like in your birth.

764

And she's like, we're gonna not let any of that happen.

765

And I immediately felt better hearing her say that.

766

I told her, I was like, I wanna do everything

in my power with baby two to not get induced.

767

Like, I know I'm not a doctor, I am not trying to be, but in my

gut, I do feel that all of my issues stemmed around that induction.

768

I'm sure she semi agreed.

769

She did.

770

She was like, okay, you know it, it's very possible.

771

She, she was and is.

772

Pro Pitocin.

773

So I will say, like she told me in that first appointment, she was like, you

know, I don't want you to think Pitocin is like the worst thing in the world.

774

She's like, I do think there's a time and a place for it.

775

So, you know, as long as you stick to that.

776

Yeah.

777

Like, like she, she was like, I don't, we're not just gonna like.

778

Put Pitocin on you just for the heck of it.

779

Like there's gonna be an intention behind it.

780

And I'm like, okay, well that's good because there was no intention behind it with Sawyer.

781

Yeah.

782

So thankfully I made it, you know, I did make it past 40 weeks with

Rowan and I think we were right at 41 and she was like, okay, we need

to chat because St. Thomas, you know, we can have you past 42 weeks.

783

And I was like, okay, well can I, every day this week, can

we do a membrane sweep and just sort of see what happens.

784

Yes.

785

Yeah.

786

We started with membrane sweeps and, you know, so painful, but like worth

it for me because I think the third one, my water broke in the appointment.

787

And I remember this happened, April, seventh, April 17th of this

year, and my water broke on the table and I just remember I was so

happy, Trish, like I was crying tears of joy because I was like.

788

One, I was, I was also, I was over it.

789

I was like, ready to not be pregnant anymore, but two, I

was like, oh my gosh, I'm about to be able to have my birth.

790

Like without Yeah, the cause of the birth being just get

you induced and have all of this, you know, whatever.

791

And I was just, I just felt so relieved.

792

I was just so happy.

793

And so water broke.

794

She was like, okay.

795

I was like, what do we do now?

796

And she was like, go home, pack your bag.

797

You're gonna start getting contractions in the next couple of hours.

798

We're gonna get you set up at the hospital.

799

I, you know, we need you to check in around three,

800

My husband and I went home, and I would've kept you at home longer.

801

Yeah, it was kind of quick.

802

Yeah.

803

Yeah.

804

I would've kept you home until your contractions told you to go in.

805

I wish that I would've had that information.

806

I wish that I, I, yes.

807

I mean, that accident,

808

Trish: I knew that was coming there.

809

And I'm also wondering, did she intentionally break your water or was it an accident?

810

Sydney: Mm, I don't know.

811

I mean, it.

812

I don't know.

813

She,

814

Trish: the labor nurse in me.

815

We have some doctors that their water breaks all the time at the office.

816

You're like, Hmm.

817

Ah, maybe that's, but I don't, yeah, I don't dunno who it is, but it, it, it's okay.

818

It worked out.

819

But I would've kept you home.

820

So next baby.

821

Sydney: Next baby.

822

We just need to like stay at home longer

823

Trish: because if your water breaks, you're not necessarily in labor.

824

Where you contracting regularly By three 30?

825

Sydney: Yeah.

826

Okay.

827

I mean, not like super close together, but like they were.

828

Pretty painful around that point.

829

Okay.

830

3 34. Yeah, so I usually will tell mine if you're not hitting your contraction

rules, which for a second time mom, that would be less than five minutes apart.

831

Right.

832

For an

833

hour.

834

Right.

835

Then I say in 12 hours, go in unless you're GBS positive, then it

will change that a little, but that way you're still, you were, yeah.

836

So that might be why they wanted you to come in a little sooner.

837

Okay.

838

Yeah, that was a weird thing too, having that bacteria thing.

839

I was like, what is this?

840

Like why do I have this?

841

Didn't have that with Sawyer, but yeah.

842

But yeah, so, so ended up, I wanted to go as long as I could without the old

epidural, so I did, I, I think I made it like five hours and then I was like.

843

You know, real contract.

844

I was like, this is, I'm, I've felt it.

845

We've been here now.

846

I would like for these to go away, and we got the epidural.

847

But the weird thing that happened at that point was the anesthesiologist told me that my

scoliosis, which I had not heard really anyone say that I had scoliosis in a long time.

848

I had heard it from a chiropractor maybe 10 years ago when

I broke my tailbone, but he was like, had me on the table.

849

And he was like, your spine is not even, and

so I'm trying to get the needle in, but like it

850

Trish: But you had an epidural with your first Yeah.

851

Interesting.

852

Sydney: Isn't that?

853

And it was fine.

854

Yeah.

855

But he did the, you know, he got the needle in and I did feel the numbing, but

about a couple hours in, I could feel every ounce of contractions on my left side.

856

That's the worst.

857

Then I would turn over to my left, and then I would feel it on my right side.

858

Then I would turn on my right, but every time I would turn to one certain side.

859

Rowan's heartbeat, like her heart rate would drop.

860

And so then they, she had a cord situation.

861

She had a cord situation.

862

And so it was like, she didn't like when I was turning on one side, but then the side that

felt better for her was the most painful side for me because my epidural was not working.

863

Yeah.

864

And then they were kind of overcompensating for the

epidural by adding more like pain medication into my body.

865

And then So were you feeling woo woo?

866

I was.

867

I think so.

868

I can't even really remember, but basically my, heart

rate, not my heart rate, my, blood pressure would drop.

869

It was dropping with all the extra like fluid.

870

Trish: Okay, so they weren't putting something in

your iv, they were just adding to your epidural.

871

Yes.

872

Like I had a, I had like a little clicker.

873

That's a really common, side effect is that drop in blood

pressure and then the baby's heart rate will go down.

874

Sydney: Yes.

875

And that's, and then they had to give me blood

pressure medication to get my blood pressure back up.

876

So then it was just joy, joy, joy.

877

Yeah.

878

Joy, joy, joy.

879

And.

880

Ultimately we did, we finally got to 10 centimeters at like two, two in the morning.

881

I, they were like, let's start pushing.

882

And that was a really exci I will say that was really

exciting for me because I was like, we're doing this.

883

Like, it's happening.

884

I, I just felt ready.

885

I could, I could feel that it was time.

886

You know how it is, everyone comes in the room and you're like, wait.

887

Yeah.

888

Whoa, wait.

889

Like why is, why are all these people here?

890

And they're like, this's, just protocol.

891

And I couldn't really remember it being like that was swear, but I'm sure it was.

892

But push three pushes.

893

She came out in three pushes and.

894

It was great.

895

And we didn't have any issues and we didn't have, you know,

you didn't go back to the OR for an emergency hemo rich kit?

896

No.

897

Didn't.

898

So it was like, yay.

899

Like we had our birth moment.

900

And that was great.

901

So yeah, I, and you got to have your skin to skin and I got have

my skin to skin for a very long That was your redemptive birth?

902

Yes.

903

And I was so happy.

904

And then plus I came out and it was all fine and, yeah, it was good.

905

I mean, it wasn't perfect.

906

I definitely like should have called you, I should have consumed more labor nurse

mama content, but, I'm, I'm proud that Well, now you can tell all your friends Yes.

907

Well, and I hope because my friends are all too old.

908

They're not having babies.

909

But for your listeners, I hope that Yes, like anyone listening is, is getting

some, you know, insight based on my mistakes and things that went wrong.

910

And like, like you said.

911

Don't be afraid to ask those questions.

912

Like, yeah, you, this is your birth.

913

Like it should go exactly how you want it and you, you, mm-hmm.

914

You can call the shot sister, like, and

915

Trish: the thing about it is you can't promise anyone

a perfect birth is there really a perfect birth.

916

But what I tell my mamas is that I can promise you that you are gonna understand each.

917

Twist and turn, and you'll know how to make the right decision based on your

knowledge, not hoping someone else is gonna make the best decision for you.

918

Right.

919

That's where we give up our power.

920

And I was just saying on my hangout, I had a bunch of new moms who.

921

Tons of people coming from the podcast now, which I love.

922

The podcast is the easiest part of my business.

923

But anyway, love that.

924

I had all these moms on here and I was like, I wish I could just take out of me

and put into you guys what I have experienced and seen, and the difference of women

who come in adequately educated, because not all birth classes are created equally

either, but the reason that I added in the, we call 'em pregnancy, happy hours.

925

Because you could read it and your perception of it or what have you.

926

Is one way, but then your doctor goes in and they say it differently and you come to the

Hangout and not only do you have me, you have my doulas, and you have the other moms.

927

So like, you know, maybe you are on there and you're pregnant with your second, and we've

got another mom who's, she hears it one way, but then you explain it in a different way.

928

Yeah.

929

And

930

so it's just that community side.

931

It's just like we were talking about ai, AI can never replace relationship.

932

Right.

933

And that's what I love about our hangouts and.

934

I'll be real.

935

There were seasons where I was having like a tough

family situations, which most of my moms know.

936

I went through hell with my ex and it was really hard for me to

show up, but I would show up and then I would listen to them.

937

I'm like, yes, this is my why for my business.

938

It's, it's because I want to change the birth culture.

939

Mm-hmm.

940

I don't want women to have to experience that.

941

And I, it's so maddening that it's still happening.

942

Hmm.

943

Sydney: And it's, I love your space too, because you really make it to where you're like.

944

I don't care if you wanna have a home birth, a natural birth, like whatever.

945

You're like it's your birth.

946

And so I'm gonna give you the education and the knowledge so that you can

feel empowered to have your birth in the way that you wanna have your birth.

947

But like, it doesn't matter how you wanna have it, like

948

Trish: no, I don't care if they get induced.

949

I don't care if they wanna epidural.

950

I don't care.

951

I will not play a role in.

952

Coercing people or gaslighting?

953

Yes.

954

Or getting what I like.

955

Even I've told this story, my listeners have heard, but I had baby number

four and I took a Bradley class, which is like very all natural, right?

956

And I actually just had a new client join the mastermind and

she's a midwife and we were talking, we're both crunchy ish.

957

Crunchy.

958

We're not fully crunchy.

959

We love, like, we like Starbucks, we like Botox.

960

We've got those things right?

961

And, but we also like crunchy ish.

962

So my students say I'm crunchy with a side of medical, but I don't wanna play a part

in saying like, the choice you've made, if you've educated yourself, like my, my.

963

Mama today that's getting induced.

964

Like that's what she needs to do.

965

She's made that choice.

966

So I always say nothing out of convenience or curiosity unless it's for you.

967

Yeah.

968

It's like if you wanna get a cervical exam, go for it.

969

I did.

970

Even though I tell you they're not necessary, they're not.

971

But I am Type A, I like to know what's going on.

972

But it can also mess with your head.

973

So that's really, really important to me.

974

And there's not many out there like me who supports all the things.

975

Like they might be narrowed down into like all natural or whatever.

976

there, you know, there's a time and a place for that.

977

But even if you're planning.

978

A home birth, you need to understand the hospital system.

979

Yeah.

980

Because you might end up there and then if you end up there,

you're gonna be in the same boat the rest of us are in.

981

Yeah.

982

You know, and I think it's really important.

983

Sydney: Having like that non-judgment zone too, I think is huge.

984

'cause I think even going into having your first, like speaking

from experience like you, you are ignorant because you just are.

985

And I think that.

986

For a lot of women that, that's scary to live in that space.

987

And, and so then you can kind of just go inward like I did and

just sort of not ask for advice because you're like, I don't wanna

come across sounding stupid because I dunno anything about birth.

988

And so coming into your world

989

Trish: and they went to school for it and they've

trained for it, so they of course know more than I do.

990

Right.

991

And the thing about it is, it's your body, right.

992

And you know your body better than any of us, right?

993

That's the part that gets left out.

994

Sydney: Yeah, it's, that is the part that gets left out.

995

That's the part that's not talked about enough and like that's the

part that I think women should go all in on is like, yeah, being in

tune with your body and knowing that like, yeah, that's so powerful.

996

Trish: And understanding that all these rights we fought

for include in the birth room because there you are.

997

The queen.

998

Yeah.

999

I say this all the time.

The one thing that has to be in the birth room is you for a birth to happen.

You're the not me, you're it.

No, no.

Not.

You're the queen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so, well, I loved this conversation, but I know my

pregnant mamas do not like to listen to long podcasts.

This a long one.

You guys going forever.

Sorry guys.

I'm chatty.

Yes.

Tell everyone where they can find you.

Especially 'cause I have a lot of business owners

who follow and they Where can they find you?

Sydney: Yeah.

Okay.

So I am socially Sydney on Instagram.

That's my personal, where I'm like dabbling in like kids and building the business.

And then our company Instagram is Renaissance marketing.

And then our summit

Trish.

Renaissance Women's Summit and then the podcast is the Renaissance podcast.

You can listen to our episode with Trish.

Yes.

And she has such a cute little room for it.

I'm so jealous.

When we build our house, I'm gonna have a cute little room.

Aw, I can't wait.

I love your chairs.

It's, we have those same chairs in our office, so Love, do you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Trish: Oh, I, and I've got my favorite chair over there.

That chair was the biggest pain in my booty, let me tell you.

I got it from Wayfair.

It came completely ded up, so we ordered another one that

came dinged up, and I was like, I'm getting that chair.

It's going to happen.

That's it.

That's the vision.

It's on the vision board.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, thank you so much for coming today,

Sydney: Trish.

Appreciate you, girl.

Yes.

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