Join Trish in an engaging conversation with Jenn Lormand from Tighten Your Tinkler, as they delve into holistic solutions for pelvic floor issues.

Jenn, an experienced exercise physiologist shares her revolutionary approach which goes beyond traditional methods like kegels, offering hope and healing to women facing these challenges.

Jenn discusses the importance of a holistic approach to pelvic floor health, emphasizing the body's ability to heal and reactivate dormant muscles. This is amazing news for many of our mamas.

They explore the core issues behind pelvic floor dysfunctions and the inefficacy of temporary fixes like kegels. Jenn highlights their Signature Program, an online platform designed to ease related symptoms like back and hip tightness and improve overall quality of life from home.

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Trish: [00:00:00] My name is Trish Ware and I am obsessed with all things pregnancy and birth and helping you to navigate with the practical and the magical seasons of this journey called motherhood. I'm an all day coffee sipping mama of seven. I've had the amazing privilege of delivering many babies. And my 15 plus year career as a labor and delivery nurse, and as a mama of seven, I'm here to help you take the guesswork out of childbirth. 

So you can make the choices that are right for you and your baby. Quick note, this podcast is for educational purposes only, and does not replace your medical advice. Check out our full disclaimer at the bottom. of the 

jenn: show notes. 

Trish: Good morning, everyone. I am so excited for today's podcast guest. Of course I always say that, [00:01:00] but truly we don't invite a ton of people onto the podcast. We're very selective. So when I have a guest, I am excited about talking to you. So today we have Jen from Tighten Your Tinkler, which I love. The name. 

It's perfect. I tell my girls in my coaching group make sure you name your business something that makes sense that people know what you're talking about. And that is very clear. 

jenn: I must confess a client named it for us. We did not pick out that name, but it's perfect. 

Trish: It is perfect, and you know what? 

Let me confess as well, minus Labor Nurse Mama, I have put everything in my stories, and my audience has voted and named everything for me, because I do not have a talent for that. And then it's great because they 

jenn: get to be 

Trish: a part of the mission. Yeah. And actually, honestly, Labor Nurse Mama, a group that I was [00:02:00] in, they named me, so I didn't even name myself. 

I wanted Labor Nurse Trish, and they picked Labor Nurse Mama, which, you know, mom of seven, it made more sense, but, jen, I would love for you to just tell everyone who you are. And we were talking beforehand about your story that landed you in this area. So I'd love you to tell that as 

jenn: well. 

My name is Jen Lormond. I am a mom of three. Trish was giving me a little mom. Advice before we talked because my oldest is turning 20 and she has some that are much older. My youngest is 10. I have three boys and I'm an exercise physiologist and I have been working in the women's health field, working with women postpartum for over 20 years. 

And Yeah, my, my story is what ended up allowing me to do what I do now, which is something make your mess your message, right? After I had my [00:03:00] first son, I ended up Delivering vaginally and having a fourth degree tear, they needed to use vacuums and forceps to be able to deliver him. 

He was born APGAR0. We were incredibly blessed that he survived. And because of that emergency I always like to say my Georgia O'Keeffe, which is a artist who paints beautiful insides of flowers, turned into a Picasso. Oh wow, 

Trish: I'm so visual. And I definitely know what a fourth degree looks like from the other side. 


jenn: And so it actually had a fourth degree tear. It ended up becoming infected. I was in both ways for several weeks and just. To put it bluntly, it was a hot mess down there. Yeah, I was in the process of recovering from my first birth and found out that I was pregnant with [00:04:00] my second son six months later. 

And because I was not fully healed, I ended up having very large vulva varicosities during that pregnancy and did end up with a C section because of those with my second delivery. And by the grace of God was able to somewhat pull myself back together. I was still in my twenties at that point. 

So the bounce back in the tissues was a little bit better. And created a program, wrote a book for postpartum women felt like, okay, like I've got this thing conquered. I can help women get their bodies back. And then I got thrown the curve ball of finding out that I was pregnant with my. Third, when I delivered when I was 36, and that's really the pregnancy that just pushed my body over the edge. 

I had a very large separation of my abdominals, D R, which I had a five finger with, I had tried all the methods. I ended up having to [00:05:00] have that surgically repaired and in the process of getting that surgical repair The issues that I was dealing with downstairs really got exacerbated and it was a couple months after the first, that first surgery, that I was diagnosed with stage 2 pelvic organ prolapse of my bladder my uterus, and my rectum. 

And so there was just a lot of things going on down there. And, it led to a lot of crying and frustration and devastation. I ended up going to my OBGYN before I was diagnosed, I'll back up a little bit. I. I went to the restroom and was feeling like there was so much pressure down there, like I was having a baby, and I was over a year postpartum, so I was like, what is going on down there? 

I took a mirror, I looked down there, and I saw something coming down and out of my vaginal opening. [00:06:00] Needless to say, when you feel that and that, you are completely panicked. I called my OB, immediately was able to get in for an appointment. To which then she had me lay on my back to examine me and proceeded to tell me that this really wasn't that bad and that her rectocele was way worse than mine and that, I didn't need to go see anybody and I was like, Oh my gosh. 

I want a referral to a urogynecologist, I'm an educated woman. I had done my homework on, okay, who diagnoses this, who do I need to see? And she was not going to give me one. And I basically told her I'm just not going to leave here. She's you don't need that, Jen. And I was like, I want a second opinion. 

Yeah. Why 

Trish: does it matter to you? Like seriously, just give me the referral. And what's maddening a couple of things about this whole thing. I'm going to go back to your first birth in just a second, but. If we are not educated, you guys [00:07:00] listen to me, I say this all the time, and of course I want them to take my birth classes, I know they're the best, but you need to be educated, because if you're not, and you go into the doctor's office, after a baby, during your pregnancy, in labor, whatever, and they dismiss you like that, and you have no idea that's what's happening, Being educated allows you to recognize those moments where you need to say, no, I want more. 


jenn: I think the thing that's also really sad is this was my OB that I had developed this beautiful relationship with that I loved that made me feel cared for throughout my entire pregnancy. So it's a little shocking. When her reaction was this, to something that I'm completely devastated about, to which she was just like yours isn't as bad as mine. 

And I just, it really, it felt like a betrayal. And many, 

Trish: I wouldn't [00:08:00] be like, sorry about your luck. You don't have to do anything about yours. That's your choice. 

jenn: Yes! But I'm gonna do something. I couldn't agree more. Education is so important. And thank goodness, it was my third and I was more educated and had been teaching women how to advocate for themselves previously. 

So I didn't do that for myself after my first birth, yeah. 

Trish: And I want to go back to your first birth before we go too far, because right away the birth educator, labor nurse, and me assumes that you were pushing on your back with your legs in either foot pads or stirrups or whatever. And I just want all of you guys. 

listening that education goes all the way back. And it goes from the time that you're prepping your body for pregnancy, to choosing who you allow to care for you, to how you [00:09:00] push. And Unfortunately, pushing like that is only good for the provider. It is not good for our bodies. It's insane how many shoulder dystocias, fourth degree tears, vacuum deliveries, assisted deliveries could be prevented if we just think with common sense. 

Nobody in their right mind who's constipated. Lays on their back with their feet in the air to poop. So why in the world do, does anyone think that makes sense and it's acceptable? And I'll tell you, I get challenged by women who have had babies. Every time I post, you do not have to deliver on your back. 

And they're like I delivered on my back and it was fine. Yeah, it's fine until it's not fine. So if you end up in the OR getting a repair for a fourth degree tear, [00:10:00] you might wonder, shoot, should I have pushed in a more sensible, physiological, way? This is maddening to me because all of this that you have gone through probably could have been prevented. 

jenn: 100 percent and at the same time, you know what I've come to is that place of, what a blessing. Because it's through these experiences that we educate women and that we created this program, right? Which... is helping a lot of women. So yeah, it's been a real struggle and battle, the the academic and me who blamed myself for many years, which you're not to blame. 

I have forgiven myself, at 26 years old, you just don't know what. You don't know and 

Trish: I think at any age if you're not educated in these areas You don't know and that's like my tagline is if you don't know your [00:11:00] options, you don't have any because you Absolutely do not know what you don't know. 

And of course You trust that your provider does not want you to rip your hoo ha out, right? You think that, and you think that your provider does not want you to live with your freaking prolapse. Yes. Like those things we should assume, but we can't because they're all human. And I love your outlook that you sound like my husband. 

So my husband is always okay, let's take this bad situation and use it for good. Like how is this beneficial? And one part of my story is that I was in a pretty. difficult season for 25 years, no longer in that season. And that has been part of why I'm able to be so strong willed and advocate for women. 

So we do have to take those things and see what is the good? So I love that you're [00:12:00] saying like, this is, you've used this for the benefit of all these other people. Because otherwise you're just stuck in the 

jenn: what is B stage. You are. And then you don't really get to help anyone, including yourself. 

And I think one of the advantages that both Christina and myself have, Christina is my business partner. She's a licensed physical therapist. And we partnered through part of my story as I was trying to heal from my third pregnancy. She practices a very special type of physical therapy, which is, manual craniosacral therapy. 

And once she laid hands on me, it was love at first touch. I was like, you have to come and practice in my personal. 


Trish: that's an interesting business partner right there. 

jenn: She started her physical therapy practice out of my personal training studio, and we worked together in our in person practices for many [00:13:00] years. And then conducted our research study and then from that, Tighten Your Tinkler was born. 

Trish: I love that. 

And I want you to share with everyone what you shared with me that for two years, you perfected this. Yeah, 

jenn: After I got diagnosed with prolapse, essentially, During that diagnosis, one of the things that the urogynecologist told me is he looked at me and he said, when he was examining me, he inserted his finger and asked me to do a Kegel. 

And so I did a Kegel and his eyeballs like to fall out of his head because he was like, Whoa, he's you're very strong down here. So you're not a good candidate for women's health PT. So clearly you're going to need full pelvic floor suspension surgery. And then in the next breath, he told me, but I really don't like doing this on women as young as you. 

I was 36, 37 years old at that time, because you're going to need to get it again in 10 years. And so [00:14:00] I was like, okay, two things were born from that. Number one, I was super confused if my pelvic floor was so strong, then why in the world were my pelvic organs falling out? Number one. And then number two if he's telling me that I'm going to have to get this surgery, what do I have to lose than to try every other holistic method out there possible having to do that. 

And so it really lit a fire in me. In terms of going on this quest and searching for ways to help some of the issues that I was facing, which is a lot of pee leaks, a lot of pain with intimacy, lots of downward pressure in both my tummy and vaginal area, lots of back pain. And so that really led me to finding the device that we use in our signature program, which it's not an internal device, it's an exercise tool. 

I have one right here, it's called the Pelvic [00:15:00] Work Pro, it's just a little ball with straps. And I'm telling you, I went to The seminar where the woman who created it was teaching us how to utilize it. And I put this on and started doing movements with it and immediately thought I was losing my mind because I could feel my undercarriage lifting up. 

Trish: I'm literally so intrigued on how you put that on. You put it on like a pair of pants. Okay. And the balls 

jenn: between your legs? The ball goes right above your knees. And it's really the magic of the pressing and the squeezing that helps to subconsciously integrate all of those foundational muscles. 

So pelvic floor, deep abdominals, back extensors, hip rotators, glutes, the whole shebang that's supposed to 

Trish: work for you. Is this something they can use? During pregnancy, you 

jenn: can utilize. Yep. You can utilize that during pregnancy. We do have women that join our signature program pregnant but we did not. 

I [00:16:00] always have to add my research brain has to say, we did not test the program. On pregnant women, but we have had many pregnant women that have purchased and it is safe for them to use, assuming that they're not dealing with. other muscular skeletal issues or diagnoses. So yeah we found this. I put it on. 

I started using it. I was like, holy smokes, something's happening. So I purchased one. I took it home. I'm a creative brain at heart. I love doing experiments on myself. I'm always doing some kind of little experiment and began to just play with movement sequences with this. device on. And within 30 days, I was like, wow, I feel better. 

And I was working with postpartum moms at the time. So I started taking them through the sequence as well. And they all said the same thing. I feel better. And I'm like trying to quantify in my mind. Okay. What is [00:17:00] better? What is better? So I started outlining, okay, like less pee leaks. I'm not peeing as frequently. 

Wow, my back doesn't hurt. Less downward pressure, but it was different for each of the women that I was talking to. So I'm like, oh my goodness, Christina, I'm still in touch with my professors at UNO. How do you feel about doing a research study? And we were both, clueless as to what that actually meant. 

And so we're like, 

Trish: oh yeah, let's do this. This sounds great. Yeah, I'm clueless myself. 

jenn: We would have never done it if we would have known the actual process because it was way longer, way harder, but way more rewarding than we would have ever thought possible. Yeah. And the whole reason behind our minds at the time were, okay, we're going to get the ACOG guidelines changed for women. 

That was the motivation behind this of getting women examined properly in postpartum, right? Oh my goodness, there's non surgical options that doctors can refer their patients to. [00:18:00] Who's not going to want to do that, right? Doctors? A lot of them. Yeah, so we got the research published, spoiler alert, got in the door of a couple of doctors, all who were like, no, we have these surgical candidates where the mesh failed. 

Could you do something for them? We've already gotten our money out of them. Could you help these folks out? And we're like, what? That's 

Trish: horrible. Yeah, it's really awful. It really is awful because I guarantee sorry But I guarantee that if we were talking about their penises here, there'd be a lot of shit getting done Oh for sure. 

They so 

jenn: frustrating and it was a dose of reality for us that if there's not money to be made in the medical industry They don't care. They're not interested. If you're going to see a surgeon, they're gonna look for ways to cut on you 

Trish: And spoiler alert for my pregnant mamas, obstetricians are [00:19:00] surgeons. 

They are trained as surgeons. They are not trained in the natural process of birth and your body, which is why I really love midwives most of the time. Some are, we call midwives, but for the most part, I like 

jenn: midwives. I would have loved to have delivered with a midwife, even up until 10 years ago when I had my last baby, that wasn't an available option here in New Orleans. 

My business partner, Christina, her 2 are younger and she was able to have a midwife and a doula present and much different scenarios there. 

Trish: So New Orleans is just in the last decade started having 

jenn: midwifery? Midwifery that you could still deliver in a hospital or some kind of birthing center. 

Those options just weren't. 

Trish: But they did have home birth midwives. Yes. Okay alright it's so interesting to be, so you started this, [00:20:00] you were like gung ho thinking, oh my gosh, they're gonna be like, jump on board. They don't jump on board, of course, I could have told you that, because I work with them. 

What was your next? So next you're like, okay, how do we get this to the people who matter? The mamas, 

jenn: Christina and I are not motivated by money. I'll just say that off the bat. So we weren't even thinking about creating a business from this. This was really just about trying to push forward the mission of changing things for other women. 

And so we had 40 people. Women come through and participate in the research study, and they got amazing results. We followed them for 60 days and they were continuing to utilize this protocol and we're reaching out to us many months after we had. Finished the research study saying hey, I was telling my sister who lives in North Carolina about this Do y'all could y'all put some videos together and you know Just send her some stuff so she can do this too, And at first the first couple ladies [00:21:00] were like, oh, that's really sweet. 

We're finished the study blah blah blah But it kept happening Like over 20 of them reaching out and asking for more to where Christina and I were like, okay, I think we need to do something here. More women can benefit from this. And that's really how this grew and evolved. And we didn't, we didn't know what the heck we were doing. 

It just declared 

Trish: itself. Yes. That's amazing though, because I think that it's such a need. 

jenn: And it's, we were inexperienced with delivering this type of support online, but both Christina and I have been in person practitioners for decades. We're very knowledgeable about how to care for women in this state of life, but trying to, as figure things out online when you're accustomed to being an in person practitioner takes a little time, takes some tweak and adjusting to help women feel cared for and nurtured and loved in the way that you're able to do that [00:22:00] in person. 

Trish: Yeah. And also, I'm thinking the business coach inside of me is like, video content for this is perfect because you can show them online perfectly how to do this. And if they're, if you felt the benefits the very first time, that's insane. 

jenn: Yeah, our 30 day results, the, my, my professor who sponsored our study he was blown away with the data and the improvements that women saw in both the closure of their DR decrease in pee leaks, decrease in number of times, which if you're peeing more than 10 times a day, ladies, that is not normal and you don't have to accept it as your normal. 

Nor do you have to accept pee leaks with sneezing, coughing, jumping, laughing. Don't have to accept that. But also the back pain and hip [00:23:00] issues that come from pelvic floor problems that a lot of people don't recognize. 

Trish: Yeah, I think that's in pregnancy as well. They don't realize that a lot of that back pain is related to your pelvic floor. 

jenn: And then the bowel issues, which is the most embarrassing of these issues that, people do not like to talk about, which is losing control over being able to pass gas or losing control over your bowels. These are quality of life issues that are very isolating that many women are suffering in silence with. 

Trish: So one of my previous doulas, so we have doulas on our team, and one of my previous doulas had some bowel incontinence for the first few weeks after her baby. And I've been very fortunate having given birth six times. One of my children's adopted. Very fortunate that I've never had any issues. 

I could have never peed on myself, any of those things, [00:24:00] which it just goes to show you like everyone's so different. So when Taylor was talking about that, oops, sorry Taylor, when Taylor was talking about that, which you know, she told our whole, all of the mamas, I was just like, Oh my goodness I never dealt with that. 

I'm a labor and delivery nurse. So my vast majority of postpartum experience has been since I started my online space. Cause now I spend so much time with them before, I spent an hour to two after birth and bye, you go to postpartum. That's my extent, so it's been really interesting to me to, like you said, find out these things happen to a lot of people. 

A lot of people. Yeah. And I'm a numbers 

jenn: girl. So when, just to let women know that they're really not alone with these issues, we're talking about over 52 million women in this country dealing with some type of pelvic floor dysfunction. And, statistically 1 [00:25:00] in 9 women are dealing with prolapse, which is just falling of the pelvic organs. 

Into the pelvic cavity, they don't necessarily have to be exiting your body. Those are more progressed stages of prolapse, but that's way underreported. It's probably more like 1 in every 2 women who have given birth and birth. is a trigger for these issues, but we've certainly worked with a number of women who, are dealing with things like Ehlers Danlos syndrome, connective tissue disorders that are also dealing with these types of prolapse issues, or women Who have had chronic gut issues. 

And so they've spent a lot of their life straining on the toilet with constipation, and that's been a real trigger for some of this as well. But there's a lot of women, I can promise you the next gathering that you're at, when you scan that room, there are a lot of women in that room dealing with these issues [00:26:00] silently and thinking that it's normal and they just have to deal with it. 

Trish: aNd then going to their doctor and being told that. That's correct. That is. Oh, it's so maddening. It's really maddening to me. I had a conversation. I'm in, I was in a different coaching group myself and everyone else in there was not in the motherhood space. They were all teachers teaching teachers and here I am and yeah. 

Somehow, wherever I am, we end up talking about something birth, sex, whatever. We started talking, oh, I know what it was, because I was contacted by, speaking of putting things in your hoo ha, I was contacted by this company that has this thing, I forget, it's like a Kegel thing, you can put in your vagina and play games. 

Yep. Yep. 

jenn: Yep. And I'm like, and you can 

Trish: play games with a friend across the country who has one too, like you can play Batman and stuff. [00:27:00] And we had this very interesting conversation, which this whole long story is getting to, was they, a lot of them thought that Peeing on yourself is part of having a baby and you just, have to like, deal with that and I was like no, because, and I can't tell you how many times I've heard that as a labor and delivery nurse, because people will tell me anything, that They think just sneezing, coughing, getting on a trampoline, and peeing, all of those things are just part of being a mom. 


jenn: It's really sad how much we have normalized that. And it is common, but it is not normal, and There is something that you can do about it that doesn't involve kegels or having to insert anything into your body, certainly not cuckooing on, some women have gotten great results with women's health P. 

T. and that internal [00:28:00] work or utilizing devices. I will acknowledge the bias that I have, which is The women that I see are still women that are having these problems. So what we see are the women who have tried to use those things and it's created overtightening. And when you have an overtight pelvic floor, you're going to have more pain. 

You're going to have more pain with intimacy. You're going to have more leakage and you're going to have more urgency and frequency of using the restroom. So oftentimes women think they're trying to help themselves. by, by using those types of interventions. And what ends up happening is they see somewhat of a alleviation of symptoms. 

And then all of a sudden it creates this hypertonicity because, I'll get on my rant a little bit, but your pelvic floor is not a magical unicorn! It's skeletal muscle! Just like the rest of your body! If you're working it like a magical unicorn where you just contract and release, and you're [00:29:00] not functionally functioning. 

Training this muscle group, you're going to have overtightening. That's just the way it goes as an exercise physiologist. This is what I live and breathe and try to just speak to the common sense of other practitioners in. You got to train this muscle functionally the same way that you would the rest of your body. 

If you had somebody coming to you saying. Hey, I have this job and I want to get stronger being able to move, this case of water from here to here. And you just tell that person, okay I just want you to bend your elbow 90 degrees and just squeeze as hard as you can. Okay. Now do that sitting down. 

Now do that standing up. Does that actually help you functionally do the thing that you're needing to do? No, it doesn't. We want our pelvic floors to work the way that they did before we had babies. We didn't have to think about crossing our legs when we coughed or sneezed before we had a baby. 

We didn't have to think about, Oh lord, did I empty my bladder before I do this jumping jack? We just did it! Yeah. And [00:30:00] everything worked the way it's supposed to work. And so that means it's possible to make it go back the way that it was before. 

Trish: So tell me what is the process? So one thing that we're going to share with you guys is that Jen has some different programs that she offers and we have a really nice coupon for you guys if you want to take part in that. 

But can you explain the two differences? Because I know you were telling me. 

jenn: Yes. So we have our healing from home program, which is really just a curated set of resources for either, you're being proactive at the final stages of pregnancy and wanting to have all the tools that you need to heal from home after delivery. 

And, included in that is proper breastfeeding, ergonomics, questions to ask at your six week checkup, how to care for a C section or episiotomy. All kinds of wonderful things, how to be checked properly for prolapse. so That's in our healing from [00:31:00] home guides. And then our signature program is that research validated protocol that we developed. 

And that is, I know I'm peeing more than 10 times a day. I know that every time I cough, sneeze, I am leaking pee. I am having pain with intimacy. I am having back pain. I am having... Heaviness, or I know that I have the separation of my abdominals that, I would like to be able to close to have more strength in my core. 

All of those things are healed and alleviated with the implementation of that signature program. 

Trish: And for you guys listening, we have a coupon code that they can use. Yes, they can use 

jenn: LNM, all caps, 50, and they'll get 50 off either program. Awesome. 

Trish: I, this has been really awesome to talk about and I think that like you said, the more we normalize not having to just deal with this stuff I do the same thing for my pregnant [00:32:00] moms, like pelvic pain and back pain and all the different things that joints and all the things that in the past us having older children for sure. 

I think that the women having babies now are a lot more educated than we were, and they are not acce... A lot of them are not accepting that's just how it is. That's normal. I don't care if it's normal. I want help. And so they are seeing chiropractors, they are seeing massage therapists, they are seeing physical therapists and pelvic floor therapists. 

So way to go, you guys. I wish we had the knowledge that you have, but we didn't. We had libraries back then. That's it. Wasn't a lot of resources. But I love that you've got this program because we... Have a right to be able to walk without peed on herself, or jump, or laugh, or sneeze, or whatever. 

And it [00:33:00] is... Mortifying and embarrassing and even I would say that, I've not had these issues, but I would say just based on my postpartum membership and hanging out with these mamas a lot, that it really affects their relationship with 

jenn: their partner. 100%. It definitely impacted my relationship with my husband because these are really hard things to talk about and acknowledge. 

And when you speak them out, it becomes your truth. And part of it is wrestling with it in your own mind. Is this actually happening? Surely this is going to get better. It's, this cycle of frustration that's happening in your own mind. And it feels very scary to speak it out loud, especially to the person who matters the most. 

Trish: And most women don't talk to each other about it. No. Definitely not. So that, that's a problem as well. your playgroup 

jenn: or your coffee chat post. Yeah. Hey, 

Trish: there's something hanging in my vagina. [00:34:00] How about you? No. 

jenn: No. And I'll be honest. I didn't even talk to my own mother about this. 

Yeah. It's very isolating and it is such an emotional journey. And even if you're not dealing with the pain and the prolapse, it becomes. It's very upsetting when you're the one on vacation and you're driving somewhere and they're constantly having to stop for you and your family's giving you a hard time about this. 

Or you're finding that when you're going places, the first thing you do is scope out where the restroom is because you're worried, Oh my goodness, if I feel like I have to go, I have to be able to get to the restroom 

Trish: quickly. Now that is part of my life because I have IBS. I know that my kids used to laugh and say my that song was gotta go right now. 

That's like my theme. Yeah, 

jenn: you can definitely identify with those quality of life issues that just, yeah, are not fun to deal with. 

Trish: Yeah, traveling. I, we travel a lot. We are a traveling family, and I [00:35:00] can't imagine that, I know what that's like when you're pregnant and you have to go to the bathroom all the time, but I can't imagine that being your daily Dealing, like having to stop every 5, 10 minutes or feeling that. 

So I do have one more question because I like to keep these under 40, 45 minutes because I know you guys like to stop listening when we get this far in, but is this something that could benefit older women who have yet to have relief from this? 

jenn: Our bodies are incredibly made and It is very possible. 

Most women start to feel a difference in 30 days and there is no age limit. The caveats that we always present is it's a 10 minute a day routine that you need to be able to implement. You need to be able to get up and down off the floor. If you have other orthopedic issues, that might impede you from being able to [00:36:00] complete the whole program. 

But there's 3 components. There's a standing and then a floor. Component of the exercises, but you don't have to be an exercise diva. You don't have to like to exercise. You're not going to sweat. This is basically activation and, foundational strength. So we tried to make this really easy and dialed in and accessible for all women on their own schedules. 

Women get lifetime access and they also get access to us in our private community because like you, we like to keep giving that support because of the things that we're talking about. This is very isolating and so oftentimes just having that community of support can be a real turning point for a lot of these ladies. 

Oh, that's 

Trish: awesome. I love businesses that serve. That really makes me happy. All right, so tell everyone where they can find you. You 

jenn: guys can find us on our website, [00:37:00] tightenyourtinkler. com. If you're interested in more teaching on this stuff, we have a ton of videos over on YouTube where we teach you all about the different types of prolapse and terminology and all the things, so you can find us over there. 

And then you can find us being a little silly and some serious over on Instagram at titan. your. tinkler. Awesome. Thank you 

Trish: so much for coming today, Jen. Hey mamas, I hope you enjoyed this episode with Titan your tinkler. I just love that name. I have to say It's super important that you guys do not just accept that this is normal when it comes to anything with your pregnancy and your postpartum journey as Always, I will see you guys again next Friday. 

Bye for now